tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7587725.post2068022463345191618..comments2024-03-25T17:22:36.723-07:00Comments on Cruise Ship Drummer!: VOQOTD: Dejohnette on chopsTodd Bishophttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06814005635510193577noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7587725.post-51035073285003281902014-11-06T09:05:37.857-08:002014-11-06T09:05:37.857-08:00Yeah, I can see where he's coming from, too. W...Yeah, I can see where he's coming from, too. When I meet a drummer who says he loves jazz, and then I ask who his favorite drummers are, and all he can say is "Buddy Rich" (with maybe a "Louie Bellson" thrown in), it's a red flag that the person probably hasn't done any listening homework. Still, that's not Buddy or Louie's fault; just because someone is ignorant of Max Roach, Philly Joe, Elvin, Tony, et al, is no reason to call into question the jazz bonafides of Buddy Rich (even if he isn't to the writer's personal taste).Ed Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16660513977428598030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7587725.post-48461222446930298452014-11-05T20:59:03.234-08:002014-11-05T20:59:03.234-08:00Thanks for the link! I like this line: "The m...Thanks for the link! I like this line: "The movie’s very idea of jazz is a grotesque and ludicrous caricature."<br /><br />That was the impression I was getting from the advance stuff... I should probably go see it, since I've been kind of ripping it apart. <br /><br />Not that I've encountered that many of them, but I've never been able to relate to people who are only into Buddy-- so I can dig where he's coming from. He does come off kind of harsh about him. It is pretty offensive if Buddy is the only drummer the filmmakers have heard of. WTF business do they have making this thing, if that's the case? I'll give this a dedicated post once I see the thing... Todd Bishophttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06814005635510193577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7587725.post-7053224663619465462014-11-04T09:19:05.149-08:002014-11-04T09:19:05.149-08:00Hopefully this is not too far afield, but this exc...Hopefully this is not too far afield, but this exchange reminds me of an article I read recently on the movie "Whiplash": http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/whiplash-getting-jazz-right-movies<br />I haven't seen the movie (nor do I plan on it; even though it's gotten great reviews, from the trailers it's always looked pretty bogus to me), but my son did, and he confirmed that he got the same feeling from the movie as that expressed by the fellow who wrote the article. The only thing I might take issue with in the article is his dissing of Buddy Rich--Rich was, after all, a major jazz and big band drummer--; but I understand the point he is making about someone who claims to love jazz drumming but only cites Buddy Rich as an influence (although I don't think that's a reason to denigrate Rich, per se, only the attitude of the person who idolizes him).Ed Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16660513977428598030noreply@blogger.com